Swine Flu Hits Home
Vaccines arrive, but so does steady increase in flu cases
By Daryl Kelley
As Ventura County officials continue a special swine flu vaccination program today, Ojai public school officials say they have not seen a spike in student absentees, a telltale marker that the virus is spreading rapidly.
However, at the Ojai Valley Community Hospital, visits by swine flu patients to the Emergency Room are steadily increasing, officials said.
“No, we haven’t seen it,” said Ojai Unified superintendent Hank Bangser. “There’s an increase compared with six weeks ago, but that’s normal for this time of year. We’re not experiencing anything different this late October compared with previous years.”
Bangser said the district’s absentee rate is about 3 to 4 percent now, compared with about 2 to 3 percent six weeks ago.
Yet, the Ojai hospital has seen a steady increase in swine flu, or H1N1, cases.
“We’ve seen a steady and progressive increase in H1N1,” said Gary Wilde, chief administrator of the Community Memorial Health System, which includes the Ojai hospital. “We have had many admissions. But only a fraction of the people who come (with swine flu symptoms) have been admitted.”
Those include children, frail adults and those with compromised immune systems, he said.
To prevent the spread of flu in the Ojai hospital, officials are strictly enforcing a ban on visitors under age 16, he said. “Children tend to shed more viruses during flu season, and we simply have to protect our patients.”
The Ojai hospital is also setting up a station near its entry where all visitors will be asked to stop, and they may not enter if they have colds or flu-like symptoms, Wilde said.
“If we find that is not effective,” he added, “we’ll have to stop people and do a forehead temperature check.”
Ventura County health clinics will continue this afternoon a special program to combat a local swine flu emergency, dispensing a free nasal spray vaccination at a Camarillo park and at four public health clinics.
Authorities say swine flu is no more serious than common flu viruses of the past. But since hardly anyone has built up a resistance, swine flu spread rapidly last spring and has returned aggressively in recent weeks. Millions of cases have been detected nationwide, with more than 100 deaths. But common seasonal flu claims about 36,000 lives a year, mostly among the elderly. The swine flu has been detected mostly among the young.
While local officials are emphasizing the availability of nasal spray vaccine at Freedom Park near the Camarillo Airport, spray vaccinations are also available at clinics in Ventura, Simi Valley and two in Oxnard.
The closest for Ojai Valley residents is a public health clinic at 3147 Loma Vista in Ventura. It is open today from 8:30 to 11:30 a.m. and 1 to 4:30 p.m. Vaccinations are administered on a first-come, first-served basis.
But the county is highlighting its special clinic in Camarillo, which drew hundreds of people on Wednesday and Thursday, and long lines are expected to continue today. The clinic is open at Freedom Hall at 515 Eubanks St. from 3 to 8 p.m.
Because of a nationwide shortage of the vaccine, counties have limited vaccinations to specific groups of people: In Ventura County, the spray mist is available only to those aged 2 to 24 and care givers of infants under 6 months old. Pregnant women and those with low resistance to infection cannot receive the spray mist because it is a live vaccine.
Ventura County officials administered several thousand doses of the spray mist last week and expected to use much of the remaining 12,000-dose supply by the end of today, said Sheila Murphy, spokeswoman for the county Health Care Agency.
“We could run through most, if not all, of it,” she said.
Murphy said 5,000 doses of injectable vaccine were expected to be delivered by the end of the week.
Like counties across America, Ventura County ordered thousands of doses of swine flu vaccine last spring, when the flu emerged as a public health threat. But of the 350 million doses ordered by the federal government, only about 23 million had been delivered to the states by Wednesday, with 30 million expected by this weekend, officials said.
Murphy said the categories of people who qualify to be vaccinated may be expanded as more vaccine becomes available. Federal officials have said that a much larger supply should be delivered by mid-November.
State and federal agencies have established priority groups for vaccination. The federal priority groups include pregnant women, care givers for infants, emergency medical and health care workers, children and young adults up to age 24, and people 25 to 64 years old with chronic medical conditions, such as heart or lung disease, asthma, diabetes or weakened immune systems.
Swine flu activity is now common in 46 states, including California. The Ventura County Board of Supervisors declared a state of local emergency on Tuesday, not because of a high rate of flu, but to qualify for state and federal funds should they become available to combat swine flu.
County health officials said swine flu has been detected here, but only in spots. It is not yet clear how much it has spread locally, they said.
Some local school districts have experienced absentee rates higher than 10 percent, but attendance in Ojai schools is about normal, officials said.
For more information, call the county hot line at 981-5390.
“Ojai public school officials say they have not seen a spike in student absentees, a telltale marker that the virus is spreading rapidly.
What????? “There is nothing to fear….but FEAR…itself.
I live literally around the corner from Ojai Valley Hospital. To date I still don’t know anyone that has Swine Flu. Don’t you think in a town with a little over 8 thousand people I’d know of someone that even has the flu?
Hmmmm some pandemic huh? Oh well I never had either bout of Hong Kong Flu, Bird Flu, haven’t had the Flu Flu in 5yrs or Legionaire’s Disease either….BOO!
why oh why
30 Oct 09 at 7:44 am
Let’s isolate these jerks with the flu and put them in a special room.
JUSTICE
30 Oct 09 at 3:54 pm
why oh why, Yeah and what’s up with all the farm animal flu’s? what’s next cow-flu, horse-flu, didn’t this flu originate in Mexico? call it what it is Mexican-flu.
fluparanoia
30 Oct 09 at 5:11 pm
how does having the flu make someone a jerk? By the way, there are indications that this flu started in San DIego, NOT Mexico. Swine flu, rather than horse flu, is an issue, because pigs can contract some human flus and vice-versa.
annonymous
30 Oct 09 at 6:06 pm
Yep “fluparanoia” it’s seems orchestrated…unfortunately I don’t think it’s “conspiracy theory” I think it’s “profit motivated” as in BigPharma wanting to make more money off of the “pandemic’d”
WE HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR BUT FEAR ITSELF!!!
why oh why
30 Oct 09 at 7:13 pm
Why oh why,
A conspiracy is more than one person(s) conspiring against one or more person(s)….
Parties participating in the conspiracy: mainstream media, big pharma, health orgs, congress, D.H.S., health clinics, health care providers, W.H.O, FEMA..
But I am sure there is a better term for it, when major players get together and become co-conspirator’s to maximize profits, its called high treason/mass-genocide.
BTW:This H1N1 is a “lab-born” virus,
its just like the pre-paid anti-virus, you buy the subscription, and you’re PC is “protected”.
It gets really weird when the federal and local government start pushing a vaccine/antidote to a “engineered” virus and people don’t ask how does this benefit me?
Taking a live virus that gets you sick to avoid getting sick that’s smart…
“WE HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR BUT FEAR ITSELF!!!”
You are sooo right,
so why do you fear the word conspiracy????
Why if this time money is the M.O., is it so hard to think they(conspirators) wouldn’t stop there, killing us would be the next step, if we ever figured out they gave us(poison), well we might not pay our taxes.
PS: They already have all of our money, that’s why the dollar is being dropped and that’s how we can have a “jobless recovery”, like our money it simply does not exist.
??. ?. ????
31 Oct 09 at 7:08 am
??. ?. ???? Agree time for critical thinking folks
Time to Expose the Lies
31 Oct 09 at 1:37 pm
the last 30yrs of TELEVISION and “public” education has all but eliminated “critical” thinking.
We live in “Idiocracy”
I’m glad I live here.
why oh why
31 Oct 09 at 3:19 pm
annonymous 30 Oct 09 at 6:06 pm, How do you think it got to San Diego? Mexico idiot, it’s Mexican Flu. I think you got a case of the A$@ flu.
coyote
31 Oct 09 at 10:48 pm
It’s a shame that all these kids are being injected with vaccine poisons due to their parents’ ignorance. The H1N1 vaccine will cause incredible damage. All these ignorant people need to do is to stop their unhealthy junk diets and boost their immune systems. But apparently it’s easier to jack up on the vaccine and continue pounding burgers and steaks.
The impending spike in autism, mad cow, heart damage, stupidity and obesity is going to be stunning.
Doctor Anon
1 Nov 09 at 9:30 am
You people are all CRAZY!
Dr. Freud
1 Nov 09 at 10:38 am
Dr. Freud….WHAT DO YOU MEAN….”YOU PEOPLE”!
why oh why
1 Nov 09 at 12:59 pm
People are saying that several workers at McDonalds, Wendy’s and Taco Bell in Mira Monte have contracted Swine Flu. This could be passed to customers (either inside or at the drive through.)
H1N1 at McDonalds
1 Nov 09 at 1:41 pm
Doctor anon is clearly NOT a doctor. Flu has been killing people since hundreds of years before there was ever a McDonald’s. This fear of vaccines is only possible thanks to the overwhelming effectiveness of most vaccines. People no longer have to worry about most of the childhood illnesses that used to kill so many. If healthy lifestyle were the cure, then the Europeans would not have been able to obliterate most of the North- and South- American natives without firing a shot!! Why do you think the small pox blankets worked so well? Some ignorance is mildly amusing, some is annoying, but yours is downright dangerous!!
annonymous
1 Nov 09 at 3:27 pm
Anonymous, your argument is crap. Why is the vaccine so loaded with mercury and toxins? According to you, there’s been plenty time to clean it up…? Just because your medical practice makes money on this BS, stop encouraging people to poison their kids and go back to watching faux news, idiot. The President of the United States won’t let his kids get this vaccine and neither will leading doctors around the US and the world. Just because you took the pill and subjected your kids to this abuse, there’s no need to take out your guilt trip here. Moron.
anon
1 Nov 09 at 7:23 pm
annonymous 1-11-09,
Fear of vaccines ????
Effectiveness of the vaccine??
You are saying we are afraid of them(vaccines) because they work so well???
For the record I am not anti-vaccine.
Our immune system has defended our bodies since the beginning of humanity the only successful virus/illness, are the ones they(bio-scientists) design/enhance/make.
As far as the childhood crap you are talkin, you are sort of correct, measles,mumps,hantavirus,tuberculosis, syphilis, bubonic plague, cholera, malaria, yellow fever, and pertussis(whooping cough) most “old world diseases” etc are all but gone however, cancer,aids(auto immune disorder), autism, alzheimer’s, obsessive compulsive disorder, neurological disorders(nerve damage) are increasing, could it be the vaccines??? or just (new world diseases)???
Young men and women (15-24yrs)dropping dead on a football or base ball field and some have been diagnosed with SIDS(sudden infant death syndrome).
New parents wrongfully accused of infanticide/murder right after immunization shots were administered by trusted health practitioners, in order to cover up the fact that the shot was the most likely culprit.
No one really knows, mainly because the makers of the vaccine remain adamant about not disclosing exactly whats in them.
Besides a lab engineered flu from the early 1400’s-1900’s, hardly qualifies it as a childhood disease.
Unless you have a very old relative very old.
As far as I know no one has a time machine.
So how did such an old virus become active again?
Sounds to me like these “white lab coat people” have been working overtime.
You contradict yourself a few times here, the smallpox the natives had developed an immunity for and the area/climate they occupy was very different than the smallpox infected blankets had on them, thus immunity was not effective, it had nothing to do with lifestyle/health of the indigenous people.
Gee lets look at that in some detail, the secret/shadow government has been using bio-warfare since the beginning of time on indigenous people, so are they just not using it now on us?
And this is a new pandemic?
No it is planned, orcastrated, designed another words they are setting the standard for us as a society and that standard is take the shot or die.
Humans never needed any shots in order to live,
we were given naturally the ability to fight off viruses and other illness.
Why do you sound so proud to be apart of a system that kills,steals,commits mass genocide, lies in order to get what it wants???
Depopulation from disease:
See also: History of smallpox Epidemics in the Americas.
Nearly all scholars now believe that widespread epidemic disease, to which the natives had no prior exposure or resistance, was the overwhelming cause of the massive population decline of the Native Americans….
Wow yeah that sounds more accurate.
The Black Death occurred to a European population which also had not been exposed and had little or no resistance to a new disease.
Letters exist between two other British officers, Jeffrey Amherst and Henry Bouquet, that explicitly advocate the idea of using smallpox-infested blankets to kill Indians.
The fluoride in our water weakens our immune systems,
several pharmaceuticals weaken our immune systems,
the food we eat weakens our immune systems.
The Europeans fired more than a shot they actually machine-gunned down the ones who were not killed by the germ warfare.
“Why do you think the small pox blankets worked so well?”
Again you are proud of that??? Why????
I am not saying to any one don’t get the shot.
I am saying look into what they want to put in you’re body the mercury,squalene,thimerosal,aborted fetus tissue, chicken embryos.
I am not saying you can’t be protected by a shot, I am saying the way they are doing it now can harm/kill you in so many ways you can’t possibly know.
I don’t trust a government or anyone so hell bent on getting their way, they have committed mass genocide in the past and will continue to do so.
Recently the health organization gave out the prior years flu vaccine and consequently the vaccinated were NOT protected against the current years flu…
Lets say they work flawlessly(vaccines) human error is to big of a risk simply because once you have become a government official, you are immune from prosecution when you screw up…
The only immunity those shots provide is to the manufacturer of those shots….
That brings up my final point, why if the vaccines are so thoroughly tested and safe, why does the dispensers, health care providers, government officials and the manufacturers need immunity from us the receivers of the vaccines?????
Ask you’re doctor when they hand you the release of liability to sign for you or you’re child to receive the shot, hand you’re doctor a waiver that waives him of all his rights and protection, and ask him to sign…
I bet he wont because he knows you can’t guarantee the safety of such a dangerous cocktail of chemicals.
Would you get into a car with someone who was a crappy driver???
Now would you get into the car with that same driver if they asked to sign a waiver waiving you of the right to sue or to pursue criminal prosecution against them???
Do what you feel is right however, calling someone ignorant because they have a different perspective on any particular issue and further labeling those decisions as dangerous is the opitomy of ignorance.
??. ?. ????
1 Nov 09 at 7:30 pm
It’s going to be interesting if those who took the vaccine are denied health care under the new impending health care program because they are more likely to get long term illnesses. The H1N1 shot was untested and loaded with toxins and carcinogens. Why would anyone take it?
Think
1 Nov 09 at 8:47 pm
Gulf War Toxins in Swine Flu Vaccine
THE new swine flu vaccine contains a deadly brain toxin linked to autism, Alzheimer’s and multiple sclerosis.
Mercury, a vaccine preservative, was withdrawn from childhood jabs five years ago after evidence linked it to brain damage.
However, the Sunday Express has discovered the pandemic vaccine, to be rolled out across the country within weeks, contains the heavy metal.
It also contains a chemical called squalene, used to stimulate the immune system to respond to the vaccine. Some scientists believe squalene is linked to autoimmune illnesses including multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis and lupus.
Squalene was included in the anthrax jab given to British and US soldiers during the 1991 Gulf War. Many claim it caused them permanent neurological damage, known as “Gulf War syndrome”.
Female soldiers given the vaccine were advised not to become pregnant for at least 18 months because of the risk of birth defects.
The swine flu vaccine could be given to more than millionS in “at-risk” groups. These include asthmatics, heart patients and those with compromised immune systems.
But medical professionals and health campaigners are concerned about the risks of the cocktail of chemicals it contains.
Dr Richard Halvorsen, author of The Truth About Vaccines, said: “Mercury is one of the most toxic substances known to man. It should not have a place in any vaccine for anyone of any age.”
swine flu vaccine IMPORTANT
1 Nov 09 at 8:56 pm
??. ?. ???? I think you broke the record for the longest post.
Mik
1 Nov 09 at 8:56 pm
?,
After reading your tirade, I can only conclude that you were vaccinated and as a result now suffer from a delusional disorder.
Ret. Lieut. John Doe
Truth Coalition
John Doe
1 Nov 09 at 9:56 pm
How very insightful john.
However I’m not using five different names on one post…
john you are a liar and a military personnel impersonator.
Truth coalition?????
That is a bigger lie than the whole ret. Lieut B.S.
john doe = lies and deception yak yak yak blah blah blah I have solutions that no one cares about.
??. ?. ????
2 Nov 09 at 6:49 am
?,
I’m former elite special ops, working mostly undercover multinational, bilateral commission ventures. Ask any branch of military for my records and you will get a uniform response: John Doe never served, John Doe was not a lieut. Ask the CIA, they will tell you that personnel records are classified.
In my world, aliases are vital. Did you ever watch the A-Team? Now you’re getting the idea of what John Doe is all about.
You see, I’m one of the good guys, much like you disillusioned by a government that made promises it did not keep. For instance, when your welfare check is late, or your block of cheese is moldy. But unlike you, I did not let that discourage me. I made it my mission to offers solutions where others thought only problems existed. That is why Truth Coalition was formed.
Keep dreaming, ?. The serum should wear off soon.
Ret. Lieut. John Doe
A-Team
John Doe
2 Nov 09 at 11:36 am
Yep just like I thought…
You are a coward liar and you have nothing to offer…
“In my world” Visit earth often???
My guess is no…
You are NOT a good guy, a good guy would NOT use the tactics you use to get attention…
However I do pay attention here on earth so I was never disillusioned by the government, I knew the whole thing was B.S. from the start…
Much like you they lie, steal and claim support/credit for things they have not done…
You really hate people on welfare don’t you john???
However you sound like you know alot more about welfare than I do…
What are you going to say john, when the government’s mandatory health care bill goes threw???
Guess what, that will be a form of welfare and you will be fined for not using it…
“I made it my mission to offers solutions where others thought only problems existed.”
“To offers solutions??”
If that was the case what are you doing here at ovn???
Go out and give you’re “solutions”…
You are the biggest moron, how can a problem exist with out a solution???
Just like a solution cannot exist without a problem..
BTW: The truth coalition was not formed it was made up by you doe, and much like you’re “solutions” it only makes sense in you’re head….
Trust me there is a huge difference between our posts john, the things I post are true….
“Keep dreaming, ?. The serum should wear off soon.”
And you are calling me delusional???????
How is the temperature in la la land john???
2nd srg. General to captain crunch
Secretary to Sir Admiral Gilligan
1st Officer under Lieut. Barny Fife
May-berry’s command and control
Heir to Davy Jones locker
Third Secretary General in General Motors
2nd General in General Electric
Retired professional fire hydrant painter
Volunteer smart a$$
Network Administrator
Assistant to the coffee maker
john’s make up whatever you want to sound important blog…
??. ?. ????
2 Nov 09 at 5:46 pm
Pardon me for breaking into this fascinating spat, but I thought we might return to the actual subject.
As with any vaccine, each individual must consider the risks vs. the benefits. There are risk group populations that will be perfectly capable, with the aid of their health care workers, of determining if the swine flu vaccine is one they would benefit from.
For some, the risk of contracting the virus would be greater than the possible side effects from the vaccine. For those outside the risk groups, the need for a swine flu vaccination may, indeed, be minimal.
For the sake of accuracy, there are many substances besides vaccines that women should avoid prior to pregnancy, including the rubella virus, that might lead to severe birth defects.
Public health agencies must do their best to offer preventive medicine to the populace. Go to any old cemetery and count the number of children buried from deadly diseases our modern youngsters have avoided due to vaccines before you rant out your conspiracy theories. Worse yet, read online at the problems suffered by victims who contract rubella, for example, especially in utero.
A devil’s advocate (or immunologist) might also argue that, in all but defeating deadly childhood diseases, we created the gene pool that has allowed some to suffer the very side effects linked with vaccinations (or mercury, aluminum and formaldehyde poisoning). In squelching certain viruses, we have allowed other toxins to take advantage of weakened immune systems. It is, unfortunately, a natural component of evolution.
Sondra Murphy
2 Nov 09 at 6:13 pm
Everyone who took the vaccine should star getting sick right about…
Rense.com
2 Nov 09 at 7:27 pm
?,
Your rants only further the cause of vaccine companies. Sane people will do the exact opposite of what you recommend. Are you truly as crazy as you appear? Or do you have this as your m.o.: Develop an avatar that is so out of touch so as to define delusional. Then, offer an opinion on something knowing sane people will simply take the opposite stance. After all, how could someone so insane share the same belief as me?? No thank you, ?, I am not interested.
By the way, when are you going to admit that you sent in your application? What are you still doing here on the blog? I told you years ago, at least one of your many aliases, that you should stick to rambling rants until you bring something to the table.
Sondra,
Truth Coalition defines the topics on this blog.
John Doe
Ret. Lieut. John Doe
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Blog Administrator
John Doe
2 Nov 09 at 8:10 pm
There is a pressing matter that demands your immediate attention. The US government plans to administer the H1N1 vaccine to millions of Americans this fall. This will likely include health workers, government workers, students and faculty, office workers, and from there the scope will likely increase.
This becomes extremely troubling when one considers the following:
The H1NI vaccine is not undergoing rigorous testing as it is being rushed to market.
In 1976, the US government, along with the media, scared people into getting vaccinated against the Swine Flu. 25 people died from the vaccine and only 1 person actually died from the Swine Flu.
Earlier this year Baxter Laboratories, one of the major producers of the H1N1 vaccine, was responsible for releasing samples contaminated with bird flu to European labs. The controversies surrounding another producer, GlaxoSmithKline, also warrant an investigation.
During the first Gulf War, American soldiers were given an untested anthrax vaccine. 25% of the 697,000 veterans of this war are now afflicted with “Gulf War Syndrome.” The symptoms of this disorder are terrible and result from an ill-advised vaccination campaign.
The H1N1 virus is still mutating. A vaccine that is currently being developed will likely be ineffective in a few months time.
Earlier this year, the World Health Organization declared the Swine Flu a global pandemic, a 6 out of 6 on their severity scale. The Obama administration recently estimated that 90,000 Americans will die from the Swine Flu this year. There is a great deal of fear-mongering coming from the media and government outlets. It is being used to get the majority of Americans to accept a shot in their arms.
Billions of dollars of your tax dollars have been spent. Hundreds of millions of doses of vaccine have been ordered. This vaccine is about to make its way to market. Even if the vaccine is not “mandatory,” not accepting the shot will likely jeopardize your employment, get you sent to a quarantined area, or otherwise result in government in government penalties. However, taking the shot will likely lead to “unforeseen” side effects, infection, and accepting whatever other additives are contained within the shot.
The decision should be simple. If enough people decide that they will not allow anyone to force an injection upon them, then the government and pharmaceutical companies will get a clear signal that our bodies belong to us. Reclaim your freedom and encourage others to do the same.
My best advice would be as follows:
Exercise frequently – biking, running, walking, sports, or light weight training.
Reduce the consumption of alcohol, caffeine, and other drugs.
Improve your diet by eating natural, organic foods – especially fruits and vegetables.
Do not use Purell when unneeded – exposure to daily germs builds up your immunity.
Try to reduce stress and find a spiritual center – this will be difficult but necesarry.
I reiterate, do not take the vaccine!
Please verify the information being presented here for yourself. Do some of your own research into this pressing matter. My motive is to inform as many people so that we can save as many lives as possible. I believe that this Swine Flu is not nearly as dangerous as the vaccine about to be administered.
I wish you and your family and friends the best of health in these troubling times
http://startheory.wordpress.com/2009/08/31/dont-take-the-vaccine/
Dont take the shot
2 Nov 09 at 8:31 pm
This video is of the Council on Foreign Relations discussing strategy for getting people to take the H1N1 vaccine. Besides them calling people who don’t want the vaccine “crazy people”, there’s nothing really new except that at 5:20 in the video they are discussing how to get people to take the unpopular vaccine and a woman says:
“I think what would work better would be to say that there is a shortage and people would tend to line up more for something that’s in demand.” (and then laughing). http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=23a_1257107005 I think that’s exactly what they’ve done. Arrogant, eh?
Try to ignore the annoying parts of the video, this is about the woman’s statement at 5:20.
Dont take the shot
2 Nov 09 at 9:47 pm
Council on Foreign Relations??? Masonic Conspiracies ???
We don’t need no stinkin’ conspiracies.
Peas in a pod don’t HAVE to conspire.
Indigenous White Tribalist
2 Nov 09 at 10:52 pm
I call BS on Sondra Murphy big time….
How dare you lady,
this is hardly a spat, john doe is looking for his 15 seconds of fame, and you are attempting to redirect a thread into you’re agenda….
I am representing the one group that is never represented the people, not the sheeple…
As you are clearly bought and paid for, you sold out many years ago to a system that sees you as cattle and that’s all you are…moo
Risk vs benefit??? Really I don’t see any true information being given out at the vaccine dispensaries…
First it was a “conspiracy theory” that all the toxins were in those shots, now its a “conspiracy theory” they cause will harm, whats next????
Every time an official gets caught in a lie they fall back on “yes its true we lied, but we did not lie” or its “not a conspiracy” almost certainly makes it one, simply because you are admitting some guilt “partial confession” if you will…
Example: Bill C. “I smoked pot and did not inhale”, its called double speak, if you repeat a lie enough it will become true…..
As in we sold the terrorist the weapons, training, passports but we(U.S. government) did not have prior knowledge on 9/11, its called plausible deniability….
I again say I don’t see a “health practitioner” at the mass vaccination clinics, I see a long line of sheeple blindly rolling up their sleeves and accepting the poison because people like you say its the right thing to do…
“For the sake of accuracy, there are many substances besides vaccines that women should avoid prior to pregnancy, including the rubella virus, that might lead to severe birth defects.”
Are women being told to get the rubella virus???????No!Is rubella the same as swine flu??? No!!
Smoking will cause birth defects gasoline will also, but no one is having cigarettes or gas injected into them to prevent cancer….
You are a fool for using that lame duck argument…..
“Public health agencies must do their best to offer preventive medicine to the populace.”
If you really want to prevent something get them to stop creating them in the first place…
To prevent war we must go to war….
To prevent you from getting sick they get you sick….
Yes Preventive, Right.
Miss Sondra,
you admit every one is different, and that the shot is not for everyone, and may even hurt or kill some, again the “partial confession”….
You are basically agreeing with me, at the same time you try to discredit me…
“Go to any old cemetery and count the number of children buried from deadly diseases our modern youngsters have avoided due to vaccines before you rant out your conspiracy theories.”
Nice try with the guilt,
counting dead children is not my hobby, if its yours I suggest you seek help soon!!!!
Why don’t you go look at all the soldiers that have died having these “death shots” tested on them against their will, and because they are in the service they have no right to refuse!!!!!
No one is thanking or honoring them…
When they get sick from the poison, the military doctors don’t help them they just treat them until they die…
The concept of reality is clearly lost on you…
Sondra,
do you have any idea how many children died that took the vaccine?? No?? Of course you don’t because they(big pharma)cover it up, as it tends to make them look bad killing children and all, and they don’t keep transparent records because they are afraid the sheeple will wake up to the fraud….
How can you even say you know it was the vaccine, and not our immune systems that fought off these diseases????
I don’t think you understand how an immune system works….
I bet you and others like you believe they “know” how a “heard immune system” works, but an individual immune system you have no clue, and don’t care…
If you can give us all the same shot thus regulating all immune systems, in effect that is a very powerful weapon would you not agree???
You could target certain “undesired” groups and look at that, oh darn 50,000+ people wiped out, and no murder weapon….
If a deadly plague was to break out and it was absolutely deadly, it would kill the carriers before it could spread as long as containment was achieved (no one playing in the body’s)..
like a wild fire turning on itself…
A few things just for you Sondra
People “shed” the virus as it mutates,
new strains are created by different combinations of immune systems every minute…
Several pigs were vaccinated in a test, some pigs died that were given the vaccine, some pigs contracted the virus yet had no signs of illness,
others were unaffected by the virus and the rest did get sick anyway in-spite of the vacancies,
a conclusion was reached it was not feasible to vaccinate pigs as they don’t have any money…
Its a really great scam anyway….
“conspiracy theory”
Cute,
dismiss anything I say just by typing those two words…
I guess when you’re agenda is built from lies the truth is the worst enemy…
“Worse yet, read online at the problems suffered by victims who contract rubella, for example, especially in utero.”
Not the German measles in utero that’s terrible
See and you are lumping rubella(German measles) in with swine flu really?? 12.5 million cases of the rubella disease and 20,000 cases of CRS in the United States 1964-1965 and swine flu, Mexico’s health secretary “says the number of confirmed swine flu cases has risen to 2,573 including 43 people who died.”This week anyway as no one really knows…
Wow where it supposedly started it is in full swing a whopping 43 people, just like the 12.5 mill the resemblance is identical..
I posted I have nothing against vaccines when applied without fear, dourest, threat, fine or treaty….
Coincidentally I am sure, 3-4 years prior to the vaccine an epidemic, “Before the rubella vaccine was developed in 1969, a rubella epidemic in 1964 and 1965 caused 12.5 million cases of the disease and 20,000 cases of CRS in the United States.”
Boy we are sure lucky to have you guys to lie to us, get us sick and kill us off little by little.
Just like problem>reaction>solution=$$$$$$$$$$$
(for context)
“A devil’s advocate (or immunologist) might also argue that, in all but defeating deadly childhood diseases,”
**”we created the gene pool that has allowed some to suffer the very side effects linked with vaccinations (or mercury, aluminum and formaldehyde poisoning).”
Another nice try,
**We did not “create” a “gene pool” as humans the above mentioned toxins(the conspiracy theory), have always been deadly to us and most all other living creatures on the earth…
The makers of the vaccine knew this…
Formaldehyde goes into corpses,
and its in furniture, carpet, the walls in you’re house its everywhere…
Mercury is in old thermostats and the new cfl lights,
we wrap food in aluminum foil,
the point is its all everywhere we are beyond safe limits and are now in saturation of a “toxic society”
I left the top of you’re post in as you always complain I take you out of context…
“In squelching certain viruses, we have allowed other toxins to take advantage of weakened immune systems.”
I am not sure what troubles me more about that statement…
The fact that they/you know it was/is weakening immune systems and continue to do it, or the even more sinister underlying implication kill off the weak, and create a supper human race immune to all disease, at the cost of killing “unhealthy” people—
“It is, unfortunately, a natural component of evolution.”
—that’s what it sounds like to me….
evolution is growing a thumb where one did not exist not injecting the masses resulting in death to the ones that have a “weakened immune system” that is mass-genocide…..
What else you got??????
??. ?. ????
2 Nov 09 at 11:12 pm
Indigenous White Tribalist
time to take the time and discover what has been hidden from you. The vail is lifting more everyday are you awake enough to be able to see it? Its not a conspricy it is truth!
Dont take the shot
3 Nov 09 at 8:07 am
??. ?. ???? GET A LIFE!
Anonymous
3 Nov 09 at 8:53 am
OMG, this is what happens to an unmoderated free-for-all blog! Thank goodness there IS a vaccine and we have a CHOICE.
back to the subject
3 Nov 09 at 9:08 am
?,
Ihave to say that you now have me concinced. I take back everything I’ve written. You are now qualified to join the Truth Coalition and encourage you to reapply.
Ret. Lieut. John Doe
Crow Eater
Fan of ?
John Doe
3 Nov 09 at 11:52 am
To all, you got so caught up in eachothers battle of who’s better! get back to the real issue. We should try to help, insted of tearing eachother apart.
Motorcylcle rider
3 Nov 09 at 1:23 pm
Don’t take the Shot wrote, “time to take the time and discover what has been hidden from you. The vail is lifting more everyday are you awake enough to be able to see it? Its not a conspricy it is truth!”
Don’t take … I’ve looked, I’ve seen, and I am not disagreeing with you in substance. My point is that there doesn’t need to be a secret roomful of mean-nasties twirling their mustaches and making secret plans. It happens naturally. Peas in a pod don’t need to “conspire”, they’re on the same page from the time they form in the pod. Maybe we should call “Them” the “pod-people”? Ha Ha Ha
Indigenous White Tribalist
3 Nov 09 at 3:45 pm
The only shots I’m taking are whiskey shots.
Avary
3 Nov 09 at 4:37 pm
??.?.????:
I had no agenda but to return to the topic. That you took it personally … surprise!
Who exactly are you representing? You are vague on this point, but obviously a BS expert.
Pray tell, in which vaccine dispensaries do you hang out? And I want to see the credentials that make you an immune system expert. Your name would be a good start.
It was you, ??.?.????, who brought up autism Nov. 1, which is sometimes linked to the MMR vaccine. (The R stands for rubella.) Yes, you made the leap of lumping rubella with swine flu, not I. How dare you … lady?
Pregnant women get rubella by coming into contact with unvaccinated infected people. No one would ever give a rubella vaccine to a knowingly pregnant woman.
I have yet to know of anyone being forced to get the H1N1 vaccine. Cite your sources, please. Would you also define “heard immune system” (your quotes)? This is an unknown term to me.
You ask if I have any idea how many children died from the H1N1 vaccine, yet do not offer any data. Therefore: according to an August CBS report, since April, 25 confirmed deaths had occurred in the U.S. from the H1N1 vaccine (appx. 1 in a million) and 114 confirmed deaths from the H1N1 virus had occurred (appx. 1 in 1000). It did not specify how many of these were children, but I found a Las Vegas CBS affiliate that said they were children.
An October report from the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy said that, according to the CDC, confirmed pediatric deaths from the H1N1 virus were 38 as of Aug. 30, with five still of uncertain cause. It offered no statistics for the vaccination.
Regarding your psychological diagnosis of me: touring historic cemeteries is one of my hobbies. If I need help, then I have a lot of company. I’ve also served on a cemetery board for a site that originated in the 19th century. One of my projects was to recreate a plot map when the original was damaged and I saw evidence of many families devastated by the diphtheria epidemic of the late 1800s. It made a profound impression to see the names and ages of children from the same families dying within days, weeks or months of each other.
Ret. LJD, you leave me no choice but to question your authority and reject your definitions, suspect you like it that way. Thanks for spelling my name right.
BTW, ??.?.????, it’s Ms. Murphy. How dare you … lady?
Sondra Murphy
3 Nov 09 at 6:10 pm
…meanwhile back at the ? ?? ??? ranch…
Mik
3 Nov 09 at 7:49 pm
??. ?. ???? GET A LIFE! Anonymous 3 Nov 09 at 8:53 am
I have one, and I am only trying to help you keep yours…
“OMG, this is what happens to an unmoderated free-for-all blog! Thank goodness there IS a vaccine and we have a CHOICE.”
back to the subject 3 Nov 09 at 9:08 am
I agree, however most here want to question my agenda and I want them to, that’s why I will explain my opinion as best as I can…
I have offered john d. several times to argue at rambling rants but he loves starting them here…
“To all, you got so caught up in eachothers battle of who’s better! get back to the real issue. We should try to help, insted of tearing eachother apart.”
Motorcylcle rider 3 Nov 09 at 1:23 pm
I could not possibly agree more, but I don’t like the way certain people try to “cloud” the issue…
I am not a liar, and I cant stand people who lie…
Its not about who is better for me, I have never said I know all the answers, but everything I post here is truth to the best of my ability…
Indigenous White Tribalist 3 Nov 09 at 3:45 pm,
Dead on, the 13 bloodlines are the “pod”…
I only know one person who got H1N1 and within 72 hours that person was up and running no shot…
Hope for the best prepare for the worst…
??. ?. ????
3 Nov 09 at 8:46 pm
? and Sondra,
Since you two appear to be our only friends, James, Anon.5, Justice, and myself would like to extend our invitation to join our inner circle in the Truth Coalition.
By the way, has anyone heard of the prophesy about cobwebs in the sky?
Very Truly Yours,
Ret. Lieut. John Doe
John Doe
3 Nov 09 at 10:00 pm
Yep, I’ll say it again…You people are CRAZY!
Dr. Freud
4 Nov 09 at 10:37 am
Dr. Freud, I think your diagnosis is correct, I would also like to add, that they maybe suffering from blog diarrhea.
Dr. Philmycrackin
4 Nov 09 at 11:50 am
Fellow Colleagues,
I could not agree with you more. ? and Sandra need to take a break from blogging for awhile. They have worn out their welcome on my website.
Have you had your vaccination yet?
Ret. Lieut. John Doe
PhD in Truthology
John Doe
4 Nov 09 at 2:00 pm
she can blog here all she wants…she’s the only one who makes any sense!
sondra's fan
4 Nov 09 at 4:16 pm
Her name is Sandra not Sondra you moron.
John Doe
4 Nov 09 at 10:53 pm
Honestly, what a complete and utter waste of time. This is not a discussion. I’ll not be checking back in to see what ??. ?. ???? or anyone else has to say. Why would I bother? For the most part what a bunch of self important idiots.
Really?
4 Nov 09 at 11:41 pm
Really?
You won’t be?? The only self-important idiot is the one that has to let everyone know that they won’t be back soon.
Get a life you self-centered jerk. I hope you catch the swine flu.
Ret. Lieut. John Doe
Symbol of Immunity
John Doe
5 Nov 09 at 5:23 pm
Dr Rauni Kilde on Swine Flu Conspiracy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=185HKE2c5Gg
Ret Chief medical Officer for Finland condemns the Swine Flue issues and explores other related matters.
Truth please
6 Nov 09 at 9:33 am
Why don’t cops just put H1N1 into the local drug supply? All local drug users would contract H1N1 and get what they deserve.
Anon
7 Nov 09 at 7:57 pm
Cops should just murder “drug users”???
what about the dealers???genius..
Yeah there’s an idea, a james hatch idea…
Liars should get what they deserve also john…
??.???.????
7 Nov 09 at 10:43 pm
Some Facts:
A strong immune system contributes to a cytokine storm, which is part of the mechanism whereby H1N1 has been killing healthy people. Building your overall immune system up with Vitamin C and Echinacea will only make you more likely to develop severe pneumonia.
Vaccines teach your immune system the DNA of the virus so that your immune cells learn how to respond to it if and when you encounter the virus.
The amount of mercury in each vaccine is less than you get from eating a can of tuna.
We’re having a jobless recovery because publicly traded corporations exist to make more money next quarter than last quarter and worker salaries are on the cost side of basic accounting equations.
My name says it all. It’s been nice peaking back into the crazy tank though. Cheers Ojai. Stay stoned.
Glad I Moved Away
7 Nov 09 at 11:14 pm
Glad,
Wherever you are – better them than us. I‘ve always wondered were boorish Fox News watching, corp. lackeys (you) end up. Las Vegas or Houston as sign twirlers? Sitting in condo (deleted)?
Wally George
8 Nov 09 at 11:34 am
no need to be snide, your points are well taken (I’m not anti-vaccine), but you don’t need to be mean to ojai
glad u moved 2
8 Nov 09 at 12:42 pm
well good news I guess???? I finally know someone with the Swine Flu. My cousin-in-laws family all the way down in Bellflower have contracted and are getting over the Swine Flu. They got it from their school aged children…..hmmmmmmmm
still not worried about it still not injecting anything the gov hands out…..sorry
why oh why
9 Nov 09 at 9:22 am
Has anyone seen ??.???.????. I looked for him down on the bike path but could not find him. He was supposed to tudor me on the bilderberger group. They are behind the swine flu.
?. ?. Jr.
10 Nov 09 at 9:49 am
So how do all you blue collar people feel now that you listened to “fake” news and took the shot? You all got SICK! LOL!!!!! HILARIOUS!!!! Now go hit Macdonalds and get your kids lunch.
New Yorker
21 Nov 09 at 6:26 pm
Us working stiff do not have insurance to pay for the shot. . .
Your Demise
22 Nov 09 at 10:24 pm