City Bowled Over By Venue Costs
Thursday, September 27, 2012
By Kit Stolz
After a 75-minute discussion Tuesday, a divided Ojai City Council voted to extend an existing agreement with the nonprofit group responsible for managing Libbey Bowl, even though in its first year it operated at a substantial loss.
According to city estimates, the foundation last year lost $60,000 on the bowl. Because an anonymous donor pays the $45,000 salary of the manager of Libbey Bowl, Beth Sutherland, the foundation’s loss was limited to $15,000, for expenses including insurance and website development.
Part of the operating agreement between the Foundation and the city includes establishing a maintenance fund to pay for long-term expenses associated with the Bowl’s upkeep. The city’s Public Works Department estimates this cost at $25,000 a year.
“The idea of the maintenance fund is to make the bowl as self-sustaining as possible,” said Steve McClary, assistant city manager. “For now the taxpayer funds the routine maintenance of the Bowl just as they do to maintain Sarzotti Park or Soule Park. When the Public Works crew is out there pressure washing, we’re not charging it to the Libbey Bowl Foundation.”
Because the Foundation itself is running in the red, it has yet to contribute towards the long-term maintenance of the Bowl.
This year, the Foundation has booked only one for-profit event in the Bowl, a Leo Kottke concert scheduled for Oct. 13. The other events that have taken place this year are “legacy” events that have separate deals with the city, such as the Ojai Music Festival, or they were nonprofit events which do not pay toward the maintenance fee.
“At the time last year, we thought there would be enough commercial events with a $2–per-seat user fee, to cover that ($25,000),” City Manager Robert Clark explained. “What we didn’t anticipate is that many events that you think of as commercial events are really put on by nonprofits.”
Sutherland, who has managed the Bowl for a year, said that before its extensive renovation, the Bowl was operated on a strictly nonprofit basis for community groups.
“The Libbey Bowl Foundation is operating at an incredible disadvantage for this year,” she said. “I’m already booking for 2013, but it’s going to take time to build a reputation and to build relationships with the big commercial producers and agents.”
Sutherland also hopes to book more in the way of multi-day festivals into Libbey Bowl to help build ticket sales.
A proposal to extend the operating agreement included a new $1-per-ticket maintenance fee to be charged on all tickets costing more than $15, including nonprofit shows.
Councilwoman Carlon Strobel expressed concern that the city’s estimate of $25,000 for long-term maintenance was low, because it didn’t take into account upkeep on seats and new drains installed as part of the Bowl’s renovation. She suggested a 20 percent across-the-board levy on all tickets sales and concessions, including sales of alcohol.
After an inconclusive discussion, Councilwoman Sue Horgan moved to extend the agreement to the end of 2013, as originally suggested by the city manager, with the new $1 fee added. The council also asked the Foundation to work with city staff to develop a business plan, to be reconsidered with the agreement in six months.
“What we have with the Libbey Bowl Foundation is an operator, who is being paid by someone else, to book the facility,” Horgan said at the meeting. “If we don’t renew this agreement, what we will end up with is nobody doing anything, unless the city puts out an investment to fund these activities, and I don’t think we’re in a position to do that.”
The council agreed to the motion by a 3-2 vote, with Clapp and Strobel voting in opposition.




Why are the reader posts in the OVN BLOG upside down? They used to be read from top to bottom in the order posted – now they are 180 degrees opposite. Some of the posts under other headings are mixed up in a random order… Weird
The Libbey Bowl is a small venue that plays there music so loud the whole park and allot of the town can hear the music for free. The only event that plays at a level suitable for buying a ticket is the Music Festival.. If the performers would make it a more intimate environment like the Music Festival you would sell more tickets!
I’ve lived here for 25 yrs., and this year is BY FAR the season of music at Libbey Bowl I’ve witnessed. People of this town should be proud!
Usual sour grapes from nay-bobs and the other walking “disappointments” that litter council meetings and this blog. Demtri go back to bussing tables…
Betsy, the answer is, without a calculator = 20% of a $15 ticket = $3 times X 500 tickets= $1,500 times X 17 Venues=$25,500 you said the answer was???? $25,000.
How long can the residents fund this short fall? You want to give this type of performance a 99 years lease, this is getting to be like the Golden States Water Franchise Rip-Off.
People should become more informed before passing judgement. The Libbey Bowl Foundation is just that, a foundation, a nonprofit entity governed by a board of directors who want to see the bowl flourish, AND be managed and maintained. This entire cost has, before the new bowl was built, been the city’s sole responsibiltiy to maintain, as it is a part of Libbey Park, all of which is owned and was maintained by the City. Because the coffers were low and Public Works staff shrinking, the facility suffered the ill effects of less than ideal maintenance levels. The organization that raised the majority of the money to rebuild the bowl certainly has an interest in maintaining it, but the City should have patience with that process as it does take time to build relationships. The facility is beautiful, but still only seats 1,000 people, has hardly enough parking and not enough restrooms, so the truth is, it is still in need of a few things to become a profitable venue for commercial entities. From my view of the rock, the City should maintain some level of responsibiltiy for its own property, and I’m glad to hear that they are. As for the rest of us, it would be good to be supportive of the Libbey Bowl’s efforts to build the bowl into as profitable and self sustaining entitiy as it can be.
Lynn brings up excellent points for us to be aware of.
I think its a for profit org. Why on earth is the manager taking a $45,00 salary.? Why did the annon donor not place that monies into the foundation to be used to balance the books and place the manager on a performance based salary of $1, untill results proved foundation was meeting expectation. I am asssuming in it is not a non profit 501(c) 3. Something funky here. How is this serving the city, now they want a buisness plan, in 2013, er OJAI!
Just curious as to the claims of Esther Wachtell that the bowl would be “filled to capacity” every weekend when trying to get support of the City Council to help fund the project. Bad economy, or something else?